910 Driver: Face Angle vs. Loft and Lie Adjustments

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By John V

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  1. John V

    John V
    Woodbury, MN

    Hello all,

    I am highly anticipating the New Titleist 910 D2 driver due to the ability to change the lie of the club.  My titleist irons are all about 2 degrees flat and currently my 3 iron is flatter (58*) than my 909 D2 10.5* driver which I believe is at 58.5*.  I like the idea of getting my driver lie down to about 57.75*.  Based on my current clubs, I think I would purchase the 910 D2 and place it in the C-4 setting which would effectively give me a driver with 10.25* loft and a lie of 57.75*.  As with all my clubs, only a fitting will really tell me what I need.

    The question: Does the face angle remain in the .5* open position when changing the loft and lie angle?  Or does the face angle change upon making loft and lie adjustments?  I think it would be preferable to leave the club face angle at .5* open upon increasing loft and lowering lie because it would allow the club's lie angle to dictate whether you hit more draw or fade rather than allowing the clubs face angle to dictate draw of fade.  I have not been a fan of any adjustable driver because it is very hard to get comfortable with a driver face closed shut at address or fanned open upon making adjustments.

    I think a Titleist Club Consierge answer would be very helpful.  Thanks in advance.

    John V.

  2. ksprecher

    ksprecher
    Scarborough, NY

    John,

    You can adjust the lie angle without changing the face angle.

    Kevin

  3. Chris M

    Chris M
    White Plains, NY

    They are independent of one another, thus the two seperate rings, one for loft, one for lie.  The only confusing part of your question is where it says ".5* open upon increasing loft."  Remember when you open a clubface you effectively decrease loft, when you close it you add loft.  Please consider that before choosing your setting.    

  4. John V

    John V
    Woodbury, MN

    Hi Chris,

    That gets to the heart of my question.  The driver comes stock with a face angle of .5* open.  If I took the 9.5* driver, increased the loft to 10.25*, woudl the face angle still be .5*?  This is not the case with most adjustable drivers on the market.

    It is possible to build club with 9.5* loft and a face angle of .5* open.  It is also possible to build a club with 10.25* loft and a face angle of .5* open.  Does the 910D2 essentially allow you to do that based on the SureFit hosel?

  5. Matthew S

    Matthew S
    Mississauga, ON

    No it is no possible to actually change the loft of a metal wood head, (this is because the sole of a metal wood is long enough from front to back and will sit the same way on its sole no matter how you angle the shaft coming out of it, to actually change the loft of the club you would have to mill the face down) all the bending or SureFit Hosel adjustments are changing face angle that changes the effective loft of the driver (look at any of the tables and in small print below it says EFFECTIVE LOFT when face is returned square at impact

    for every 1* open you make the face the effective loft decreases by .6* less. therefore the .75* increments that Titleist has been advertising means the face angle actually changes by 1.25*   ( .75 x 1) / 6 = 1.25

    therefore your question on if the stock driver is 9.5* at .5* open and you change it to 10.25* of EFFECTIVE LOFT then the face angle would become 0.5* - 1.25* =  .75* closed

    if this whole post was too much for everyone to take, just remember it is no possible to change the true loft of the face on a metal wood just the effective loft.

  6. Bill C

    Bill C
    Cable, OH

    I think you stated that backwards. When you open the face of the club you would add loft. For example: if you take a 56 degree sand wedge and open the face you may turn it into 60 degrees.

  7. Matthew S

    Matthew S
    Mississauga, ON

    Bill C said:

    I think you stated that backwards. When you open the face of the club you would add loft. For example: if you take a 56 degree sand wedge and open the face you may turn it into 60 degrees.

     

    Actually Bill when you open the face of a metal wood the effective loft decreases when the head is returned back to square

    when you are "opening" a wedge while its in play sure you can sit it on the ground to have more loft, however with a you can not actually open the face angle on an iron or wedge you would be changing loft, where as a metal wood you are changing the face angle.

    im not sure how else to explain this other than showing you with a driver, just remember bending irons/wedge you change the loft, lie and bounce, and when bending metal woods you change the lie, face angle and EFFECTIVE loft

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